VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.2] [Eva Kiss]

noturiah · Jul 6, 2023

BlandChili said:
Roberts scenes have become fewer, yes, but this was not always the case. Take a look at the first bunch of chapters, it's basically only him or Ian that's available to Lena. In the demo, I seem to recall, I think it's even only Robert Lena can actually get with, as Ian's content lies outside the story available in the demo.

Eva has also attempted to re-work Robert to make him more tolerable, I think his declining amount of content has more to do with Eva giving up on over-developing content for a character that no one actually likes.

Yes, I remember learning somewhere along the way Robert was rewritten to be more tolerable, but when I did a new playthrough for ch10 he still seemed pretty icky if Lena sleeps with him. If she doesn't he can be a little more decent to her about job stuff, though of course Seymour will get her fired regardless.

In ch11 I was totally surprised to see Ivy suggest Robert as a casual sex object for Holly, and Lena can choose to set that up or not. Not so much that Ivy would suggest it, that makes sense, just that I'd never have put Robert and Holly together in the first place. In terms of personality I can't see it going very well, but of course that doesn't necessarily have to be a factor

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ffive · Jul 6, 2023

bauman said:
Robert is way more sympathetic after the rewrite. I thought his early scenes improved quite a bit.

I have only played this game after the rewrite and that's where my opinion stems from. If he was even more of a creep before... just, eh.

I don't see him as malicious, per se. He's more of these "nice guys" who are actually assholes, but they think because they've done a girl a few favors she owes them sex handouts, and when refused they move onto Ranting Stan trajectory.

MF_DOOM · Jul 6, 2023

aifgamer said:
The fact that people hate so hard on this totally normie character is a testament to great writing.

No, they hate him because he is a shit character, poorly written and at this point in the game he is as useful as tits on a nun.

noturiah · Jul 6, 2023

ffive said:
I don't see him as malicious, per se. He's more of these "nice guys" who are actually assholes, but they think because they've done a girl a few favors she owes them sex handouts, and when refused they move onto Ranting Stan trajectory.

Agree 100% on that being who Robert is. That's why I want to see the awkward sex with Robert and Holly, and then him being a whiny jerk afterwards - because it could lead to Holly going to Ivy and telling her how bad it was, and then we'd get to see Ivy instructing Holly in the ways of mercilessly dumping a boytoy. "And when he's starting to sob, and you can see a little teardrop forming in his eye, you bitchslap him across the face, like this!..."

RC-1138 Boss · Jul 6, 2023

jackypetersy89 said:
This is why this game is great. I never even thought of making Lena only sleep with women.

So many diff ways to play

I "blame" Eva. Look at Lena's options.

Robert was a pathetic blackmailer.
Mike is a cheater.
Lena's ex is a stalker and a manipulative sociopath.
Seymour is a sociopath with more money.
Jeremy is pretty much a walking dildo.

I mean they are likely great options for some corruption route but romantic route is pretty much Holly and Ivy for Lena since i prefer Ian to have his own romance apart from Lena.

SerHawkes said:
Once we get Jasmin-Jeremy, with Jeremy on bottom duties.

At least Jasmin was actually skilled in bed instead of "dildo boy" Jeremy.

Tverdislav Yablochko · Jul 6, 2023

About Gillian's current BF. Can it be Billy?

SerHawkes · Jul 6, 2023

Tverdislav Yablochko said:
About Gillian's current BF. Can it be Billy?

Doubtful, since if she was, Ian would have had issues with meeting Billy at Ivy's Party.

SerHawkes · Jul 6, 2023

RC-1138 Boss said:
I "blame" Eva. Look at Lena's options.

Robert was a pathetic blackmailer.
Mike is a cheater.
Lena's ex is a stalker and a manipulative sociopath.
Seymour is a sociopath with more money.
Jeremy is pretty much a walking dildo.

I mean they are likely great options for some corruption route but romantic route is pretty much Holly and Ivy for Lena since i prefer Ian to have his own romance apart from Lena.

At least Jasmin was actually skilled in bed instead of "dildo boy" Jeremy.

Your not wrong. Romance wise, Lena has complete shit in choices other than Holly, Ivy, and Ian. Which is a testament on how much of a joke Eva is writing romance this time around. I mean really... Robert is forgettable from day one. Mike is just a dildo to cheat on. Axel is stalking shithead who can't take the fucking hint that it's over. Seymour just want to make her a sex slave. Jeremy is just a fetish kink. Then you have... Stan... Never mind that, you don't have Stan.

Deathstar1200 · Jul 6, 2023

Guys, I noticed that Ian didn't recognize Mike when he saw him. I thought at first that he was Gillian's bf but I got impression as Ian knew personally the person Gillian cheated with. What do you think?

Deathstar1200 · Jul 6, 2023

SerHawkes said:
Your not wrong. Romance wise, Lena has complete shit in choices other than Holly, Ivy, and Ian. Which is a testament on how much of a joke Eva is writing romance this time around. I mean really... Robert is forgettable from day one. Mike is just a dildo to cheat on. Axel is stalking shithead who can't take the fucking hint that it's over. Seymour just want to make her a sex slave. Jeremy is just a fetish kink. Then you have... Stan... Never mind that, you don't have Stan.

I think Eva get too much shit than she deserves. Writing a story with two protagonists and infinite amount of choices would take a a lot of time to flesh out. Her best choice, for now, is to hire more writers to help her cause I think. Not sure about her patreon situation though.

ffive · Jul 6, 2023

SerHawkes said:
Doubtful, since if she was, Ian would have had issues with meeting Billy at Ivy's Party.

IIRC Ian doesn't know who Gillian's boyfriend is. Billy is a very unlikely candidate, though -- Gillian's boyfriend moved to town a few months ago because he's found a job here, and that doesn't really fit Billy's circumstances.

edit: a fun fact, now that i thnk about it. When Chapter 10 was released, i thought the way the game avoided ever having Ian and Mike interact has gone to ridiculous level, with Jeremy (who is familiar with Mike, his coworker) for some reason choosing not to introduce him to Ian, his friend even though all three of them were in the same spot and shared the screen. But now, given Jeremy's reluctance to tell Ian about Gillian, his behavior regarding Mike would actually make certain sense, if Jeremy has learned recently that Mike is Gillian's new boyfriend, after seeing Gillian with him together at the club.

Guess we'll see.

SerHawkes · Jul 6, 2023

ffive said:
IIRC Ian doesn't know who Gillian's boyfriend is. Billy is a very unlikely candidate, though -- Gillian's boyfriend moved to town a few months ago because he's found a job here, and that doesn't really fit Billy's circumstances.

edit: a fun fact, now that i thnk about it. When Chapter 10 was released, i thought the way the game avoided ever having Ian and Mike interact has gone to ridiculous level, with Jeremy (who is familiar with Mike, his coworker) for some reason choosing not to introduce him to Ian, his friend even though all three of them were in the same spot and shared the screen. But now, given Jeremy's reluctance to tell Ian about Gillian, his behavior regarding Mike actually makes certain sense, if Jeremy has learned recently that Mike is Gillian's new boyfriend, after seeing Gillian with him together at the club.

Guess we'll see.

That would be one hell of a coincidence if true. Then again the whole running theory of Mike being Gillians boyfriend is possible, though I would say its 50/50 on either Mike or Spike, which I feel like would add far more intrigue and possible drama, specially on a Lena route.

SerHawkes · Jul 6, 2023

Deathstar1200 said:
I think Eva get too much shit than she deserves. Writing a story with two protagonists and infinite amount of choices would take a a lot of time to flesh out. Her best choice, for now, is to hire more writers to help her cause I think. Not sure about her patreon situation though.

The biggest issue is that Eva bit off way more than she could chew with this project writing wise, as we already see issues with inconsistency with characters, the ever so her complaining about struggling with writing, not to mention her approach to characters.

While sure, hiring another writer or writers would certainly help lessen the demand on her, at the same time the question would remain on her vision for ORS and if she would be okay working with a writer who may have some of their own ideas.

If she wasn't open to that, then the next best idea I have would be her not to set dates for her releases and simply take her time writing out paths throughly and not rush herself to meet a deadline she sets on herself. If the update takes 5-6 months, then it takes that long. Sure, people would get ansty and want the release out sooner but at the same time, her taking her time might end in a best finished product and episode.

Deathstar1200 · Jul 6, 2023

SerHawkes said:
The biggest issue is that Eva bit off way more than she could chew with this project writing wise, as we already see issues with inconsistency with characters, the ever so her complaining about struggling with writing, not to mention her approach to characters.

While sure, hiring another writer or writers would certainly help lessen the demand on her, at the same time the question would remain on her vision for ORS and if she would be okay working with a writer who may have some of their own ideas.

If she wasn't open to that, then the next best idea I have would be her not to set dates for her releases and simply take her time writing out paths throughly and not rush herself to meet a deadline she sets on herself. If the update takes 5-6 months, then it takes that long. Sure, people would get ansty and want the release out sooner but at the same time, her taking her time might end in a best finished product and episode.

Yeah, that is the problem. No matter what Eva does, people would complain nonetheless.

RC-1138 Boss · Jul 6, 2023

Yeah the game's escope is quite big this time. Two protagonists and each having close to ten possible love interests. Personally the lack of non male corruption routes to Lena doesn't bother me much because i quite enjoy what she (Eva) is doing with the lesbian romances with Ivy and Holly.

zoomzoomzoom · Jul 6, 2023

Gicoo said:
I may be gaslighted by Ivy and Lena who are biased against her, but I wouldn't be surprised if Cherry turns out to be unreliable and still not hung over Axel.

Well at least she is aware of what her mistake is. If she cheats on Ian with Axel then she really belongs in Baluart. Lol

Geralt From Rivia · Jul 6, 2023

The scope of the project and branching is really a serious problem. There are so many different little things to consider in the game, each choice generates new development options, but all the time she need to take into account the branches in other options so they correspond to each other, as a result, the development options grow exponentially. Eva need to have a brilliant mind, a brain that works like a computer, to take into account all the small details. Eva experienced writer's block in developing this chapter, which doesn't contain a lot of major plot developments. This is a bad call.

dolfe67 · Jul 6, 2023

RC-1138 Boss said:
the lack of non male corruption routes to Lena

Ivy is kinda corrupting Lena, and I think it'll ramp up in the following chapters. It's Ivy who gives the idea to Lena to open up a stalkfap and who encourages her to fuck around. If Lena slept with Ivy after her birthday party, she can't refuse to have sex with her in the gym showers.

| Vee | · Jul 7, 2023

ffive said:
IIRC Ian doesn't know who Gillian's boyfriend is. Billy is a very unlikely candidate, though -- Gillian's boyfriend moved to town a few months ago because he's found a job here, and that doesn't really fit Billy's circumstances.

edit: a fun fact, now that i thnk about it. When Chapter 10 was released, i thought the way the game avoided ever having Ian and Mike interact has gone to ridiculous level, with Jeremy (who is familiar with Mike, his coworker) for some reason choosing not to introduce him to Ian, his friend even though all three of them were in the same spot and shared the screen. But now, given Jeremy's reluctance to tell Ian about Gillian, his behavior regarding Mike would actually make certain sense, if Jeremy has learned recently that Mike is Gillian's new boyfriend, after seeing Gillian with him together at the club.

Guess we'll see.

BY the conversation Between Ian and Gillian, It is kind of leaning in direction that Ian knows that person. He may have just mention it for the context.

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dontcarewhateverno · Jul 7, 2023

The only thing that would win me over on the likely twist that Mike is the (in yet another unbelievable coincidence) boyfriend of Gillian is if there's an easter-egg where the game suddenly turns into an FPS if Lena's been fucking Mike too. Title changes to "Ian's Postal Shooting Spree". Satisfying + kitsch/campy enough that the Mike/Gillian connection would be tame by comparison.

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