Weirdly enough, with Trump there is actually less immediate risk of war, because populistic parties have emerged all over the globe in the past couple of years. Be it in Poland, France, the Netherlands or even in Germany (although gladly the AfD there isn't as big as the other parties).

What I think is most shocking to me and many others, is that this is the first time in my and many others lifetime that we have seen this kind of campaign, with a candidate having so many scandals and openly showing racism and sexism, bigotry and lack of knowledge of how politics actually work, being elected into an office that is going to change the life of so many people. The amount of people from the latino and afro-american population as well as the female population that voted against Trump is through the roof. He focused on the average white male low-educated populace and won.

I am not saying Hillary didn't have her flaws, but there are some basic things you expect from someone representing your country and it is hard to believe that the american people did chose Trump despite having a lack of all of these things. It really is.

I really did like Obama. I disagree with some of the decisions he made, sure, I guess everyone can find a thing or two, but I do like the charismatic guy that has been president for the past 8 years. When I look at Donald Trump, it shows me the stereotypical american, the part of my mind I hate, produces.

I am really worried about the state of our world. We have a dictatorship growing in Turkey, Russia has not been playing ball or answering calls with most of the other countries for a while now, racial movements are rising in many countries, then there are refuges all over europe because of syria and we get terror attacks from ISIS on a regular basis now. And this isn't even everything. It's just the major things being reported on TV. It's bad out there. Just because most of us live where we can so comfortably, doesn't mean we do a good job managing.

A world without all the problems we currently have would probably be able to handle a Donald Trump being President. But what we would have needed now more than a loose cannon, is a knowledgeable politician that can deal with the current issues at hand, because when people die, there is no do-over or second chance.

So Trump won.....Well there's hope his promises turn out to be nothing more than hot air.... at least I hope so D:

2016: The year where humanity collectively decided to systematically tear itself apart.

Just when people should be coming together, we tear each other apart. It's odd to think that this election is proof that terrorism is effective, honestly. As terrorism is to "Create change through fear" and thanks to groups like ISIS, America, and many other countries, have changed for the worse. That's not even a comment on Trump, as both options are proof that terrorism can be effective. But yeah:

One country decides to piss off from the EU, another decides to basically say "Fuck refugees" and another decides the racist, sexist, idiot is the best choice for president. What happened to all of us? We lose David Bowie and suddenly we just turn the world into a shit show? :P

It's not just one country that just didn't care about refuges. There's a lot of tension here because of that.

As a german, I am actually proud of Germany taking the lead and letting so many people that need our help in, but I also think we need to do an even better job in getting these people integrated and getting violence and prejudice under control.

I am also not satisfied with the Turkey deal regarding refuges, The EU definetely needs to work together on this and do a better job. There are people out there that need our help and if we can, we should do so. Like I said, we are living in luxury. Watch for a day how these people are living and then multiply it with war taking place in their country.

But this is another topic.

If they are hot air (and I personally do think they are), then it will still be bad. The alt-right (as you've seen from the likes of LTM and now WWYDT) have no interest in what Enlightenment principles and conservatism/libertarianism are all about. They're also petty, angry, they love divisiveness, they've shown nothing but hatred to any critics and opposition, they consort with bigots and neo-nazis, and they have a level of respect and admiration for how Putin leads Russia and wields his authority, which hints at a desire for authoritarianism (as long as it's them in charge of it). If Trump proves to be a fake (like those who did their research on his history know he is), then they'll likely turn violent. They've promised violence during this election, both in subtle and not-so-subtle ways.

What do you think will happen when the alt-right figure out that their Great Leader is a fake?

You know a song I just thought of that sums all of this up perfectly

www.youtube.com/watch?v=frAEmhqdLFs

True, it was just Germany's movement that seemed to be the most popular and well known. And while I'm all for their stance of helping immigrants and refugees out, the movement, from what I've seen, is pretty bad.

I'm all for safety, obviously you need to actually vet the people coming in, but at some point people need to realize that safety and Liberty can never completely coexist. And we as humans need to make a choice about which is more important.

Do we believe every person has the same set of rights? If so, those rights aren't affected by "Where you were born" so it only makes sense to bring refugees in to ensure they get the rights they deserve. I understand the desire to keep an eye on them, but they're still people and if they deserve the same rights as you do, then they deserve the right to escape a hostile environment. But if we do we have to accept that there are major risks that come with that.

Conversely, do we believe that the safety of our people is more important than anything? If so then yes, you can keep refugees out, and spy on your people, and increase military force all in the name of safety. But you have to accept that you no longer have true Liberty. You create more safety, by destroying more Liberty. And honestly, both choices are valid, desire for safety is completely understandable, as is the desire for Liberty.

Trump feels like a ham fisted attempt at having both, that will eventually turn out as getting neither. But that's just my opinion.

Well i am sorry for America but i am glad that Trump won, atleast we don´t have to worry about the TTIP that were the thing that i was more worried about USA

*Popcorn intensifies*

I agree. Like I said, a better job needs to be done. But this does also depend on more countries helping more than they currently are. I also do think more money needs to flow from our government, because if we let these people in, we are responsible to give them a way to live a good life in our country. Getting people from another country into ours should not be seen as a burden, but rather as a an opportunity.


The problem is actually thinking that way. People believe by letting refuges in their country they risk letting terrorist in which just isn't true. In the past, these people have been living here for many ... many years before getting active. They won't come into the country with the other refuges, they would have used normal ways to enter the country anyway without being noticed. And even if there was the chance of that happening, there is no reason to punish tens or hundreds of thousands for the action of a few.


TTIP didn't have a future with either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

I am going full von karma breakdown

I pretty much thought either candidate was going to be a shitty, shitty president, so I'm basically "meh" on the whole thing.

Well, I don't see this as bitching. Our discussion is quite civil and we are discussing possible political repercussions as well as the general political worldmap.

So far I don't see any harm done. Exchanging opinions is fine as long as the forum rules are upheld, which they are, at least for the moment.

Ha.

Yeah yeah yeah! Hit 'em with the Don! Ain't life great?!?!