| Are the deterministic systems we observe everyday just emergent properties from a random/chaos reality. Do you agree with the idea, that the world is just random, made up of random combinations of decisions, where ever decision you make creates another parallel universe. A theory which even baffled Einstein, how do you feel about this? Do you think random placements of letters and numbers are what gave us formulas which explain gravity, light, and magnetism? Example Probability of Walking through a Wall Under the theory of Quantum Tunneling, it is possible for a particle to go through a "barrier" which is classically could not surmount. If all your particles are primed for tunnelling through a wall then you can walk through it. Obviously for such a even to occur, it will take longer than the universe has existed, but do you think something as random as this is plausible? Warning, do not try this, The odds are STACKED against you 1. Electrons don't just jump one millimeter, or even a meter. A jump of one manometer is plausible, a jump of a centimeter is 10,000,000 nm, A electron jumping a cm, is essentially, the odds of you rolling a one on a dice with 10 million faces 2. Amount of atoms in your body, count them, roll that many dices get a 1/10 million on all of them, it's that low 3. The electrons dont have to jump in the same direction, there are 4 directions it can jump to, consider that as well |
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| If the multiverse theory or the theory that the universe is infinite and will last forever is real, then you can assume anything that could possibly happen (no matter how remote the chances are) will happen an infinite number of times. Otherwise its waaaaay too statistically unlikely |
NasalSharkFeb 10, 2016 7:28 AM
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NasalShark said: If the multiverse theory or the theory that the universe is infinite and will last forever is real, then you can assume anything that could possibly happen (no matter how remote the chances are) will happen an infinite number of times. Basically Brings up the question, are the deterministic elements real, could there be another reality, where the laws of gravity are not related to mass. Where the speed of light is consistently broken. |
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Probability of Walking through a Wall Under the theory of Quantum Tunneling, it is possible for a particle to go through a "barrier" which is classically could not surmount. If all your particles are primed for tunnelling through a wall then you can walk through it. Obviously for such a even to occur, it will take longer than the universe has existed, but do you think something as random as this is plausible? If this is true I want to be the first person to walk through a wall. |
Nightwing said: NasalShark said: If the multiverse theory or the theory that the universe is infinite and will last forever is real, then you can assume anything that could possibly happen (no matter how remote the chances are) will happen an infinite number of times. Basically Brings up the question, are the deterministic elements real, could there be another reality, where the laws of gravity are not related to mass. Where the speed of light is consistently broken. Logically I don't think it's possible to travel from one universe to another from our universe, but I think there is a theory that if that were true it might be possible to travel into this one from another universe since the laws of physics are not as we know them. But if that were to happen would matter then obey our laws? |
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NasalShark said: Nightwing said: Basically Brings up the question, are the deterministic elements real, could there be another reality, where the laws of gravity are not related to mass. Where the speed of light is consistently broken. Logically I don't think it's possible to travel from one universe to another from our universe, but I think there is a theory that if that were true it might be possible to travel into this one from another universe since the laws of physics are not as we know them. But if that were to happen would matter then obey our laws? Our laws won't be laws anymore, they will be reduced to theories laws of gravity are only laws because they work under any condition, on earth, on mars Makes you think how valuable how words, our history, our logic is. |
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Nightwing said: Our laws won't be laws anymore, they will be reduced to theories laws of gravity are only laws because they work under any condition, on earth, on mars Makes you think how valuable how words, our history, our logic is. Its real sobering when you think about it too much. Thats why I don't think about it lol. Quantum physics is so confusing and weird and scary I don't think I'll ever understand it. |
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NasalShark said: Nightwing said: Our laws won't be laws anymore, they will be reduced to theories laws of gravity are only laws because they work under any condition, on earth, on mars Makes you think how valuable how words, our history, our logic is. Its real sobering when you think about it too much. Thats why I don't think about it lol. Quantum physics is so confusing and weird and scary I don't think I'll ever understand it. There is only a probability you could understand quantum physics ;p |
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Nightwing said: NasalShark said: Its real sobering when you think about it too much. Thats why I don't think about it lol. Quantum physics is so confusing and weird and scary I don't think I'll ever understand it. There is only a probability you could understand quantum physics ;p Ha. Or I could both understand and be uncertain about quantum physics at the same time. Fuck Heisenberg, I'm gonna go live under a rock. Quantum mechanics can't find me there. |
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NasalShark said: If you can't see anything outside the rock, you don't know if anything exists outside it or not.Ha. Or I could both understand and be uncertain about quantum physics at the same time. Fuck Heisenberg, I'm gonna go live under a rock. Quantum mechanics can't find me there. CANNOT ESCAPE SCHRODINGER'S PRINCIPLE |
KaoruMatsuoka said: NasalShark said: If you can't see anything outside the rock, you don't know if anything exists outside it or not.Ha. Or I could both understand and be uncertain about quantum physics at the same time. Fuck Heisenberg, I'm gonna go live under a rock. Quantum mechanics can't find me there. CANNOT ESCAPE SCHRODINGER'S PRINCIPLE Gonna see Nasal deriving the probability of the earth being destroyed as soon as he start living under a rock |
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| Is there any evidence for that claim ? Or is just something you thought up that has no evidence for or against it ? Forgive me but I'm more of a commercial student . Nah screw it .I do . |
SodiumChlorideFeb 10, 2016 8:34 AM
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| lots of different parallel universes? I kinda believe in it. Its a nice thought honestly. Everyone makes mistakes so its nice thinking there's a world where you made all the right decisions. |
| I don' t think it's really determined or totally random. There are certain laws to the universe but there is a certain level of free will that changes things. |
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BubbleGum_ said: lots of different parallel universes? I kinda believe in it. Its a nice thought honestly. Everyone makes mistakes so its nice thinking there's a world where you made all the right decisions. Tbh that what scares me lol What would the me be, who made all the right decisions in life? It really is strange In one sense, your daily actions are completely useless, but in another sense, you are creating parallel universes with every decision you made. Like this one by deciding to read this post all the way through. |
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| I think reality is the concurrence of all 'parallel universes.' I've thought that maybe dreams are the parallel universe, the myriad possibilities that exist in the sphere of potential (imagination) but the waking reality is where they coalesce into actuality. I don't think that for every action I make there are like infinite other 'mes' doing the infinite other possibilities in separate universes. That would be too much lol. |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
Nightwing said: That's true. If key moments in your life didnt happen you could probably be a completely different person. Damn that is scary...BubbleGum_ said: lots of different parallel universes? I kinda believe in it. Its a nice thought honestly. Everyone makes mistakes so its nice thinking there's a world where you made all the right decisions. Tbh that what scares me lol What would the me be, who made all the right decisions in life? It really is strange In one sense, your daily actions are completely useless, but in another sense, you are creating parallel universes with every decision you made. Like this one by deciding to read this post all the way through. |
NasalShark said: Nightwing said: Our laws won't be laws anymore, they will be reduced to theories laws of gravity are only laws because they work under any condition, on earth, on mars Makes you think how valuable how words, our history, our logic is. Its real sobering when you think about it too much. Thats why I don't think about it lol. Quantum physics is so confusing and weird and scary I don't think I'll ever understand it. Try doing the math. What you learned in Calc III can only take you so far. There's a reason quantum physics has a reputation for being a tough subject. |
| I believe that events that occur are random, but are shaped by our physical laws. I don't think that no matter how many times I throw a ball into the air in an open field, that it wouldn't not come down, excuse my double negative. |
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Jayden said: I believe that events that occur are random, but are shaped by our physical laws. I don't think that no matter how many times I throw a ball into the air in an open field, that it wouldn't not come down, excuse my double negative. That is true I dont think the the conservation of momentum and energy could ever fall apart, and your ball rise into outer space. |
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| Based on Schrödinger's cat box experiment I'd say it's neither random nor deterministic. It's all possibilities in any shape or form existing simultanously, i.e. a future where you go through the wall exists alongside all the other futures: ( ( (all the atoms in the body) * 10 ^ 6 )! - 1) Is my formula for all the futures where the passing fails correct? Not sure whether I set the faculty at the right position or not or if I am missing something. Of course this all assumes that we limit the scope solely on the possibility of whether or not someone can pass through the wall. If you included EVERYTHING ELSE in existence into the equation, the result would be something that we could physically not even observe, even if we had the theoretically necessary computing power available (because of the Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Thanks for the sci-fi series "Stargate SG-1" and the fictional character Samantha Carter teaching me physics). |
Grey-ZoneFeb 10, 2016 7:00 PM
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| It seems nowadays that the answers to such dilemmas involve a little bit of both. There are elements that are deterministic, "going through the motions" if you will, then there are those dependent on certain agents (you or I for example). |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| Well, since this is all real life, we can not let people break windows in the meantime just so they can try to fulfill their desires like in a "purge". As long as we keep ignoring the actual issues, windows will keep getting broken and we'll try to act like we're doing the best we can to prevent it. Thankfully you can't really break windows on the internet, so all you can do is to say you want to break windows. What I'm suggesting is, it would be more helpful at that point if we asked "Why?" instead of saying "You filthy window breaker!" and ban the guy from that particular online platform. |
| All self-centered thoughts limit our vast mind. When we have no thought of achievement, no thought of self, we are true beginners. |
| have you seen "Mr. Nobody"? It's one of those mindfuck films that deals exactly with what you're talking about. |
| I think the concept of "randomness" is a (valid and effective) simplification of processes we have yet to fully understand or have the technological capacity to measure accurately. |
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| On a little scale, fps perspective, yes. Chaos theory seems the best choice since every living things have their own perpective and reality. But on a larger scale, tps perpective, no, it's more likely determinism than anything else. Well, I always believe in Murphy's Law. Nature tends to do a specific thing than another thing. |
| WEABOO SCIENTIST |
| I mean looking at things such as sacred geometry it's kinda of hard to see the world as just "random", "just happened out of nothing", etc. I will never believe it's in any way 100% completely structured either though. We aren't advanced enough as a species, technologically or otherwise, to grasp what is going on. |
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